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Was thinking of returning to competitive judo in the Veterans catagory maybe I should think again?
I honestly think it’s a disgrace first with the lack of groundwork and now to make matters worse banning various throwing techniques and the way techniques can be executed.
Judo is/was a great fighting art as a sport and indeed for street protection, these changes will only weaken judo and indeed the practitioner.
Hopefully there will remain clubs where all safe and effective judo/groundwork included will still be practised for many years to come because who knows maybe the judo i remember will one day return
As every one say, it’s stupid, I’ve been training for 42 years, but been out of training the last 2 years, “injuries”, so when I start study my lovely sport again I found out this crap, it’s really a way to destroy a good public sport, and make it totally impossible to understand for no active judo players, or more likely professional referees, I heard a lot of comments from friends all over world, what happen with judo, as Neil Adams say, you can win by negative judo, there I really believe judo is digging it’s own grave, the more complicated rules the less viewers / spectators, why look at something you don’t understand ???
I think IJF has to study the fundamental rules and techniques, and stop play and act like morons, ask all judokas what they think, judo is already a complicated sport for no active to understand, now it’s impossible.
So please IJF, don’t destroy a old traditional Japanese sport with with ideas no one understand….
Kent / Sweden
I just was at the World Cup In Madrid. One fighter lost by going for the leg twice, once with a cross collar grab and the other time with a grab over his shoulder. It was just, the grab and the guy took down the oponent. They started to give him an ippon, and then took it out and gave the other guy the 20 points. It was really weird.
Who are you that would change the rules of judo? you created it? these techniques created Kano, you are completely destroying the history of judo. you change the rules only for their results. If you have any other excuse I woit your answer.
The severity of the punishment is out of proportion. I wonder what judoreferees think about the situation? Now being a judoreferee must be one of the most challenging referre-jobs there is.It seems like mindreading is a mandatory skill. Did the thrower grab the leg in sequence as a follow-up or was it planned from the start as a part of the inital attack? This will not make judo a more attractive sport to TV-viewers, it makes the sport more difficult to understand and totally irrational in the viewers eyes. Rule changes in a world-wide sport should be made carefully and in small steps.
The person who decided to make all these stupid rules is Juan Carlos Barcos the IJF referee director. But the person who made the suggeston to ban any technique below the belt was Jean-Luc Roughe. The first reason for making changes to the rules was to make judo better for TV viewers. Then it was to stop it looking like wrestling. Not sure what this latest crap is for. The list of techniques that are no longer allowed is growing. There are two wrestling styles in the Olympic games, Free style & Greko roman. One of the main rules in Greko is that no attacks below the belt are allowed. So, are we getting closer to wrestling or what?? The atheletes who use techniques like Uchi mata etc should ask themselfs a question. If I have been training hard for 10 years to perfect my best throw and someone then said that in 2 months time you will nolonger be able to use this technique or you will be disqualified how would they feel and what difference would it make to their continued success. I am butting a perition together to have these stupid rules reversed and I need more names. If you wish to be on this list please email me at firstname.lastname@example.org
We only have until April 30th to have them removed and then they are locked in ontil after the London Olympics. Help me people and get as many on board as you can. Hurry.
i agree that touching the leg only to defend should not be a penalty, not even a shido as long as fighters don´t grab the leg to make an atack. That´s a little to much. I only agree with penalising the atacks under the belt for the reasons i said before, but hansokumake is a very strong penalty. They should give shidos until the hansokumake.
theas rules are very complicated i fought a contest this week and evry buddy goat discualified at lease once it touching the leg is just by reflex they should not penelize
I agree 100% with JóSe! We must not forget the origins of Judo. Above all, Judo is a martial art, just like Jigoro Kano created it. We cannot think only in the sport, we have to keep the essence of Judo and now competitive Judo uses a lot of strength.
If you want to use any technic and the only thing important is to throw your oponnent, that´s ok, but you can´t call it Judo. That´s only my opinion, nothing more. Infortunatly, like in everything in life, the saint pays for the mistakes of the siner and some times we don´t see for exemple Kata Guruma, but we see some one making a false atack to avoid being trhown by his oponnent or to “burn” time. That´s negative Judo. I also think that Hansokumake for picking technics is a very heavy penalty. Shido was Ok.
Well, let´s wait and see. If this doesn´t work, then another solution must be found. Above all we need to think in the future of Judo.
thec new rules inhibit the players, limit their natural improvisational skills, and cuts of some of the most dynamic ippon- proned techniques in judo.
the genious who came up with this , obviously is out of touch with reality.
in a couple of years i predict that mma will replace judo in the olympics….. the way judo is going now.
Good work, JoSe, thank you for the comments…now we also need the german version, the french version and the arabian version, and we can sell the goods!…
Sorry, just kidding, me gusta tu comentario, yo soy italiano, i entiendo un pochito de espanol!…Un pochito, nada mas…
Mikhail & Vadim say things we can share, and Davide Massa improves in his commentary, lose kata guruma or guruma or as already tell us of kani-basani, is a shame.
The problem may not be rules modified by IJF, but with due respect….. the problem is the same judokas and each Dojo sensei that forget the roots of the JUDO as martial art. Just think of sports (which gained both place on time), and? the martial art
If the sensei prepares the judokas in sports and martial, the techniques in the Dojo will continue practicing, and sports theme is another matter.
Goran also said something interesting for arbitration, a shido would suffice, in any case hansokumake who reinside the implementation of a forbidden technique.
Mikhail & Vadim dicen cosas que podemos compartir, y que Davide Massa mejora en su comentario, perder kata-guruma o te-guruma o como ya nos dicen de kani-basani, es una pena.
El problema tal vez no sean las reglas modificadas por IJF, sino con el debido respeto ….. el problema radica en los mismos judokas y los sensei de cada Dojo que olvidan las raíces del JUDO como arte marcial. Solo piensan en lo deportivo (que cobró tanto lugar a través del tiempo), ¿y el arte marcial?
Si el sensei prepara a los judokas en lo deportivo y marcial, las técnicas en el Dojo se seguirán practicando, y el tema deportivo es otra asunto.
Goran también dice algo interesante respecto del arbitraje, un shido sería suficiente, en todo caso hansokumake a quien reinside la aplicación de una técnica prohibida.
In my opinion judo as a whole will be at the best with as many as possible styles incorporated. Discriminating one style in favour of another is simply unfair. Applying hansokumake for leg pick techique or just an attempt seems to have more of politics behind than actual sportsmanship. Shido would be an appopriate way to implement new rules.
I think the problem will be solve if IJF change rules from hansokumake to shido. We know that direct hansokumake is penalty for some unfair behavior, or doing some technique which lead to injury.
Truth is, there are stronger federations than others, and the decisions they make account more than the majority: I do believe that in the last 15 years technique has been lost in many ways, but the road taken to rectify this might turn out to worsen the situation even more.
What is worse? Losing style and pure technique because of influence of eastern europe style (open discussion)? Or losing pieces of judo itself, just like kata-guruma and te-guruma, which will be undoubtedly less studied and less practized in the next future?…
After prohibition, kani-basani is not practized anymore, and it is demonstrated aside from judo competition, and the opportunities and openings to kani-basani are lost in many countries, including Italy…
I personally like these rules since judo these days uses too much force and looks a lot like wrestling. Grabbing the leg and kata guruma are moves in which people can force through a technique rather just using good kuzushi and tai sabaki.
I agree. IJF should have conducted a survey regarding new rules among the federations who are IJF members. I also agree, why in bloody hell whould IJF change the techniques created by the founder of judo, Jigaro Kano?
What a silly step of IJF to create these rules. they dont care about sportsmen, the only thing they care about is money and so called “popularity of judo”. There are plenty of judokas whose technique is based on grabing legs. why on earth do they have to accomodate for these rules. why didnt IJF create some kind of voting throughout judo national federations?
i hope IJF will review approaches to the judo rules in the nearest fututre
Some discarded techniques, such as kata-guruma had been designed and implemented by sensei Kano. Wonder who in judo world considers himself an authority greater than judo founder?
the only thing that should have been changed…the giving of ippon for rolling techniques where no force is applied..ex. many kata gurumas,sumi gaeshi’s and drop seoi nages… sometimes these are fine..most people can see it easily..the refs cant seem to judge it however. everything else was fine. oh yeah..maybe allow more time for groundwork. my 2 cents.
I am wondering who this genius is that came up with the new rules idea. What a joke. Why would you eliminate hundreds of moves and techniques? It will hurt the sport of judo.
Judo had to much subjectivity in its scoring system already. Now, as Neil said, there is even more grey area in all these possible senarios. I hope the IJF hasn’t shot itself in the foot with these rule changes.
As he said many times, it’s all his interpretation…Adams points out a lot of potentially critical issues of the new regulations, but the tournaments may highlight some other he didn’t show, and some he showed may turn out not to be issues at all, becasuse of the way referees will punish those particular positions and movements.
In the end, the many victims of the new rules will be the atlethes that for the first time will fight under the new rules. I guess the best way to overcome the difficulties is to fight a lot before major events, to put many tournaments between now and the main events, in order non to put high competitions at stake just to understand the way that judo will be fought in the next future…
Let us all hope that one thing will always emerge as the one thing important: the technique…when there’s true technique no rules will be obstacles to excellence…
out of date…
Stupid rules,don’t know what they want to show in these rules,it makes judo only boring,and when u fight,you have to think about rules,but not about fighting xD
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